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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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hello and welcome to the skeptic zone

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episode number 297

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for the 29th of june 2014. richard

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saunders here from sydney australia very

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chilly

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but pleasant sydney australia at the

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moment

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now before we even begin

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to get stuck into this show and find out

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what's coming up a major announcement

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regarding the australian skeptics

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national convention in november

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and i quote from the website of

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we have major news after a great deal of

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negotiations we are very excited to

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announce a ticket price reduction for

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the 30th australian skeptics national

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convention the new standard ticket price

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for the whole convention is only two

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hundred and sixty dollars previously it

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was three hundred and twenty effective

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immediately since we began planning this

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convention trying to reduce the ticket

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price has been a high priority on our

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list convention attendance costs can be

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prohibitive and we wanted to make sure

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that as many people as possible from

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both australia and overseas would be

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able to attend now after finalizing the

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last price adjustments and overall

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budget we're extremely pleased that we

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can offer the same event with the same

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wonderful speakers

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what has changed i hear you ask over the

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internet what has changed

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i did hear you ask the only change

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directly impacting the attendees is that

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we won't be offering a catered lunch

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this year this is because the convention

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venue is located in the middle of one of

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sydney's busiest shopping and business

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centers which is bustling with

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restaurants cafes takeaways

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you name it frozen yogurt all sorts of

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things you won't have to walk more than

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a couple of minutes to find something

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for your fancy however good news you

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won't go thirsty we will be serving tea

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and coffee throughout both days of the

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convention and even better news yes we

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are doing concession tickets

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we are pleased to finally announce a

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limited number of concession tickets for

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pensioners and full-time students the

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concession ticket price is 220 dollars

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really good news and the news just keeps

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on getting better what if you already

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bought a ticket do you get a refund yes

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absolutely

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everybody who bought a ticket already

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will be reimbursed the price difference

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wow more good news there then you can

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poke a stick out really that's a funny

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expression isn't it look for more

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details you can go to skeptics.com.u or

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wow great news for the australian

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skeptics national convention coming up

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in november if you've been sort of yeah

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hanging out there hanging off not

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getting your tickets now is the time to

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buy the tickets the prices have crashed

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down there are concession tickets

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good news

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all around

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and i'll be sure to be uh telling

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everybody at the amazing meeting in

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las vegas in a few weeks time that good

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news as well but let's uh let's calm

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down a little bit now let's just

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take a deep breath

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what's coming up on this week's episode

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of the skeptic zone

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well here's a question for you have you

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an embarrassing body

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oh yes oh yes this week a man who i'm

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sure doesn't have an embarrassing body

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iran sigue is going to chat to dr

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bradley who's one of the australian

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doctors in the australian series of

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embarrassing bodies

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now for those of you who are maybe not

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familiar with embarrassing bodies it's a

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show where people with embarrassing but

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conditions come along to see doctors

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how they're helped or their situation is

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managed and some cases are

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wonderful recoveries anyway iran's going

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to be talking with dr brad about the

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show and some other

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embarrassing things

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after that it's a week in science from

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our good friends at the royal

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institution of australia

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oh who's on this week paul willis dr

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paul willis now there's a man

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with an embarrassing body

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maynard is taking a little break from

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skeptic zone activities at the moment to

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concentrate on his own podcast bunga

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bunga

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and we have a little chat about that

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catching up with maynard uh well there's

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so much good stuff coming out of maynard

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he's uh when he's not doing the skeptic

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doing his own fun podcast bunga bunga

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maynard.com and we look forward to more

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reports from maynard

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when he's good and ready and following

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that i catch up with a good friend of

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mine bob blaskowitz from the united

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states

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who is hot on the tail hot on the trail

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on the case

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of one dr brzezinski what's this

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so-called cancer expert up to now we

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catch up with the latest

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concerning news then to round off the

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show it's uh for someone who's fast

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becoming a favorite on the skeptic's own

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joe alabaster with more evidence please

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joe's going to be looking at a recent

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not not not the maize you

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rats and mice run in that the maze you

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eat the maze you eat you see rats and

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more evidence please that's what we want

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from me on a personal project i've been

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as we speak as i speak as i speak to you

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speaking to you right now on sunday

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night here in australia my good friend

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and sometimes co-host of the skeptic's

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own stephen soyker is busy in his place

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which is many kilometers from here uh

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bob while i'm doing that or attempting

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of shape this bedroom injury has left

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you've got some cracker warts there and

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try to pull it out dr brad and the boys

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brand new embarrassing bodies down under

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tuesday 9 30. only on you

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so i'm here with dr brad makai fellow

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just proving your credentials right

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exactly exactly very good so

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transplant fecal transplant so we'll

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fecal transplant so doctors are starting

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clean like three donors that are clean

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what they say like that the the creme de

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la creme of bowel actions that's the

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variety and and plus i heard

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difficult transplants have been in the

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things that i've heard was that um

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donation uh from a family member is more

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efficient or more useful than just

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donation from a

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think there's much evidence for that

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happening i think the the main thing

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evident is that there is commonalities

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amongst in amongst families so for

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perhaps me with somebody who's not does

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would be a little bit different and then

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by taking gut flora from a fecal

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transplant from a family member you

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increase the chance that you'll get your

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original gut flora back or you could

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just get the same bad bacteria there as

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well so there could could still be small

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colonies of bad bacteria in other family

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members guts as well and then that can

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be spread around too so it's not not a

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guarantee you really

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they're wanting to find people who have

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regular like 20 like once in a 24-hour

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period normal bowel actions without

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having diarrhea or constipation so

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that's really what they're guided

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towards by saying that person has the

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perfect stool

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let's get

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get their poo okay so now that we okay

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so we got the poo out of the way

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that's a great topic

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we can talk about we can talk about

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other things now first of all um can you

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you're a doctor you're a medical doctor

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yes um and but but you you don't did you

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practice do you you're in um yeah i work

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in a clinic in richmond and melbourne

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and you do something else in addition to

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treating i also i well i also treat

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patients on tv as well so i do

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embarrassing bodies down under so a very

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cheeky show based on the uk series

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that's been taking up a lot of my time

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lately

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and we've just been nominated for a

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logie so i've gotta cut off my trip

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early and go back

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towards the end of the month for that

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okay so

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when did the this program start um so

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the program was aired in october of 2013

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so it was

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shown on foxtel

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now it's on uh free to air in the uk as

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well so and how many episodes have you

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there's eight episodes okay so each is

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an hour long

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were you limited to only things from

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earlier on before the recording so yeah

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for example one of my patients had

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terrible alopecia so he looked like he

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was a monk so he had a lot of a loss of

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hair on the top of his head so some

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people were saying some people were

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commenting and thinking that it was a

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like a testosterone-based

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androgenic hair loss but his was an

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alopecia areata hair loss and so it was

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just quite amazing sort of seeing him um

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putting him in contact with the

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dermatologist who then did injections of

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steroid into his head and then um yeah

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he had an amazing result it was about 95

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growth of his hair after having like a

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massive patch like

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the size of a large orange so that sort

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of circumference

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all growing back with his hair so you're

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needing to inject a very strong steroid

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dose into the skin to stop the

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autoimmune process from occurring so

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it's sort of very

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very rewarding seeing those cases coming

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through so have you encountered as part

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of doing this problem have you

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encountered things that you've never

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seen before

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uh i think there are a lot of extremes

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so we did a fair bit of cosmetic surgery

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as part of the show like a small aspect

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of it one of my patients she had a large

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abdomen after losing lots of weight and

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so that it was quite a massive operation

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i saw her before

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it was skin and fat as well so she had

365
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about 16 kilograms removed from skin and

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fat together

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yeah so i saw her before and afterwards

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and i was like oh yeah it's good and

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then i saw i was watching it when the

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episode went up on on tv and i was like

371
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screaming watching tv going oh my god

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the surgery is full on so

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you sort of like missed that aspect of

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it if you're seeing the patient's before

375
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and after as a gp so it's good to fill

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in you have to did you actually have to

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do any treatments yourself or was it

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more the diagnosis and the

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lot of it was

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talking to people diagnosing putting

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them in contact with a surgeon or a

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specialist and following them through

383
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with that we saw heaps of patients so a

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lot of the treatment options that we did

385
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wasn't actually shown completely on so

386
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headless what do you mean so you mean

387
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reality tv is not really reality

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well i'm just shocked some of the

389
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patients are no longer we saw about 140

390
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patients altogether and um and we had a

391
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like a smaller amount of that for for

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what we actually showed on on screen so

393
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we had a lot of treatment we had lots of

394
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psoriasis warts like a lot of bread and

395
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butter stuff for general practice which

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isn't interesting enough for television

397
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but yeah yeah so now i have to ask you

398
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this question um

399
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you know it's a bit personal but you

400
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know that one of the things that the uk

401
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version of the show does is that it

402
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shows all these people with things that

403
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are not just embarrassing but frankly a

404
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little bit

405
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off-putting

406
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i mean the reason they're embarrassing

407
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is because they're off-putting for

408
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titling yeah for not just the

409
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the owner of the of the city of the

410
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situation but also people around them um

411
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the way the uk show mitigates that is by

412
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having

413
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very good looking doctors

414
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and i have so i just have to ask you i

415
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mean obviously what do you say but i

416
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have to ask you about your abs whether

417
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you have these abs that

418
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you're not quite as good as dr

419
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christians but yeah

420
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i'm trying to get there yeah yeah he's

421
00:16:26,870 --> 00:16:24,639
had years getting those abs so i'm just

422
00:16:28,550 --> 00:16:26,880
starting off now and today okay so so

423
00:16:30,470 --> 00:16:28,560
you're saying it's the tv that does it

424
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it's not exercising totally absolutely

425
00:16:35,990 --> 00:16:32,959
that's self-reflection yeah okay so now

426
00:16:37,430 --> 00:16:36,000
the the the show is on for for another

427
00:16:39,509 --> 00:16:37,440
season soon or

428
00:16:41,509 --> 00:16:39,519
um we're we're still waiting to hear

429
00:16:44,629 --> 00:16:41,519
about a second season so nothing's been

430
00:16:46,230 --> 00:16:44,639
cleared so far so i have no idea we will

431
00:16:47,910 --> 00:16:46,240
see what happens and he was you

432
00:16:50,550 --> 00:16:47,920
mentioned earlier that he was he was

433
00:16:52,790 --> 00:16:50,560
hidden uh somewhere on on foxtel was it

434
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it was on the lifestyle you channel on

435
00:16:57,990 --> 00:16:56,160
foxtel so a lot of people have seen it a

436
00:16:59,829 --> 00:16:58,000
lot of my patients back in melbourne

437
00:17:01,670 --> 00:16:59,839
haven't seen it so they sort of come in

438
00:17:04,230 --> 00:17:01,680
and say is your show on yet

439
00:17:05,909 --> 00:17:04,240
yes it's been a our attention

440
00:17:07,750 --> 00:17:05,919
uh but yeah like over over in the uk

441
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we're getting quite a good following um

442
00:17:11,909 --> 00:17:09,760
and yeah being on free-to-air and the uk

443
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is fantastic oh so oh it's three to

444
00:17:15,590 --> 00:17:13,360
eight yeah yeah

445
00:17:16,870 --> 00:17:15,600
wednesday night in the uk okay very good

446
00:17:18,949 --> 00:17:16,880
what what channel

447
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it's on channel four

448
00:17:24,630 --> 00:17:21,439
11 11 pm on a wednesday

449
00:17:26,069 --> 00:17:24,640
so yeah prime time at 11 pm yeah

450
00:17:27,590 --> 00:17:26,079
everyone's on twitter saying that

451
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they're having nightmares because

452
00:17:31,029 --> 00:17:29,280
they're watching embarrassing bodies

453
00:17:32,950 --> 00:17:31,039
just before they go to bed

454
00:17:34,150 --> 00:17:32,960
so um

455
00:17:35,510 --> 00:17:34,160
what are you doing in the uk at the

456
00:17:38,710 --> 00:17:35,520
moment you didn't come especially for

457
00:17:40,470 --> 00:17:38,720
qed of course i came especially for qed

458
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so no i've got i've got a wedding but

459
00:17:44,310 --> 00:17:42,640
this is perfect timing i've been to the

460
00:17:46,470 --> 00:17:44,320
skeptics convention in melbourne when

461
00:17:48,470 --> 00:17:46,480
that was there a couple of years ago and

462
00:17:50,390 --> 00:17:48,480
looking forward to sydney later on uh

463
00:17:53,350 --> 00:17:50,400
this year uh but yeah like i've been

464
00:17:54,870 --> 00:17:53,360
following skepticism for years so i love

465
00:17:57,350 --> 00:17:54,880
the premise of it i love the

466
00:18:13,430 --> 00:17:57,360
intellectual banter that goes on and i

467
00:18:16,549 --> 00:18:15,190
well brad thank you very much for being

468
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on the script exactly thanks for having

469
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me on

470
00:18:22,390 --> 00:18:20,720
people often tweet me and say

471
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but i'm too embarrassed to go to the

472
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doctor asterix blushes asterix

473
00:18:31,590 --> 00:18:29,520
well this is a reminder that doctors

474
00:18:34,150 --> 00:18:31,600
have seen everything before

475
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even if it's rare they've likely seen a

476
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photo of it in one of their textbooks

477
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get it checked out

478
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and by the way not all of my twitter

479
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in a world where the truth

480
00:19:03,510 --> 00:18:58,470
is messages are received from beyond the

481
00:19:09,270 --> 00:19:06,470
and reason is sidelined for magical

482
00:19:15,510 --> 00:19:12,470
only three men stand between the truth

483
00:19:17,909 --> 00:19:15,520
and a postmodernist

484
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what date is it seven eight seventh

485
00:19:20,870 --> 00:19:19,440
eighth this is impressive it's these

486
00:19:26,310 --> 00:19:20,880
artists impressions they're not they're

487
00:19:29,909 --> 00:19:27,990
we don't discuss cryptozoology on the

488
00:19:31,270 --> 00:19:29,919
show very often because we don't know

489
00:19:33,190 --> 00:19:31,280
anything about it that's true that's

490
00:19:35,029 --> 00:19:33,200
true the price gets lower and lower and

491
00:19:38,870 --> 00:19:35,039
lower and then he hits the ceiling it's

492
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skeptics are the k for the mercy side

493
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skeptic society find us on itunes or you

494
00:19:54,070 --> 00:19:52,150
welcome to a week in science from rios

495
00:19:56,230 --> 00:19:54,080
bringing you the science you need to

496
00:19:58,950 --> 00:19:56,240
know how will the inhabitants of the

497
00:20:00,470 --> 00:19:58,960
most remote places on earth fare under a

498
00:20:02,549 --> 00:20:00,480
changing climate

499
00:20:08,710 --> 00:20:02,559
not too well as we take a look at

500
00:20:14,470 --> 00:20:11,350
this is the tale of two penguins one

501
00:20:16,630 --> 00:20:14,480
winner one loser this isn't a deli

502
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penguin

503
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they are closely related and they both

504
00:20:26,710 --> 00:20:24,720
eat krill and the same kinds of fish

505
00:20:30,230 --> 00:20:26,720
over the past few decades adelie

506
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populations have been in rapid decline

507
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during the same period gentoo

508
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populations have grown and they've

509
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extended their distribution further

510
00:20:41,590 --> 00:20:38,880
south it looks like changes in sea ice

511
00:20:44,149 --> 00:20:41,600
due to climate change may be the key

512
00:20:46,830 --> 00:20:44,159
gentoos are adapted to sub-antarctic

513
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islands where they forage in ice-free

514
00:20:52,630 --> 00:20:49,520
areas a deli penguins spend their

515
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winters in the pack ice so one penguin's

516
00:21:02,470 --> 00:20:59,830
newborn antarctic fur seals are also

517
00:21:04,310 --> 00:21:02,480
feeling the pinch due to climate change

518
00:21:06,950 --> 00:21:04,320
during the first few months of life

519
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antarctic fur seal pups are especially

520
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vulnerable to cold conditions climate

521
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models may show an increase in

522
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temperature but windier and wetter

523
00:21:18,789 --> 00:21:16,320
conditions mean pups will have to divert

524
00:21:21,190 --> 00:21:18,799
more energy into keeping warm and less

525
00:21:23,669 --> 00:21:21,200
into growing up this change will

526
00:21:26,390 --> 00:21:23,679
dramatically affect fur seal pup

527
00:21:28,149 --> 00:21:26,400
survival rates added to this it is

528
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likely that climate change will affect

529
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the availability of prey placing even

530
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more stress on the vulnerable pups and

531
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now four fast facts about antarctic

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antarctic whale species such as minkies

533
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and humpbacks could lose between five

534
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and thirty percent of their habitat as

535
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the oceans warm leopard seals face an

536
00:21:55,750 --> 00:21:52,640
uncertain future as large areas of sea

537
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ice on which they breed disappear krill

538
00:22:00,470 --> 00:21:57,840
the southern ocean's main food source

539
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are in decline with losses of up to 80

540
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percent in some areas in the past 30

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years

542
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and the annual migration of killer

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whales may be severely affected by the

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loss of ice flows normally they would

545
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follow these around the polar seas

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that's it for this a week in science for

547
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more information on antarctic wildlife

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and climate change go to the rio's

549
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website

550
00:22:29,750 --> 00:22:26,080
riaus.org dot a u follow us on twitter

551
00:22:31,669 --> 00:22:29,760
at rios and like us on facebook i'm paul

552
00:22:45,590 --> 00:22:31,679
willis and we'll catch you back here

553
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ad hominem begging the question factoid

554
00:22:52,070 --> 00:22:50,159
propagation false analogy false cause

555
00:22:53,750 --> 00:22:52,080
false dichotomy gibberish immunized

556
00:22:54,950 --> 00:22:53,760
hypothesis moral equivalence poisoning

557
00:22:57,909 --> 00:22:54,960
the well simple minded certitude

558
00:22:59,510 --> 00:22:57,919
stacking a deck and wtf are just some of

559
00:23:01,830 --> 00:22:59,520
the fallacies we provide real-life

560
00:23:03,990 --> 00:23:01,840
examples of in hunting humbug 101 a

561
00:23:04,630 --> 00:23:04,000
podcast about bad arguments

562
00:23:13,590 --> 00:23:04,640
check it out at

563
00:23:18,950 --> 00:23:16,390
maynard what is bungabunga bungabunga is

564
00:23:20,149 --> 00:23:18,960
the strangely weird project that the abc

565
00:23:22,230 --> 00:23:20,159
broadcasting commission is not the

566
00:23:23,669 --> 00:23:22,240
slightest bit interesting in so i

567
00:23:25,909 --> 00:23:23,679
thought tim ferguson and i should just

568
00:23:27,750 --> 00:23:25,919
go it alone and make a show called bunga

569
00:23:29,350 --> 00:23:27,760
bunga look it up online it's a punchline

570
00:23:31,190 --> 00:23:29,360
of a joke that can't be shared in mixed

571
00:23:33,110 --> 00:23:31,200
company and we basically take questions

572
00:23:35,270 --> 00:23:33,120
from the audience and are searching for

573
00:23:37,590 --> 00:23:35,280
a format i mean really we thought

574
00:23:38,870 --> 00:23:37,600
mikhail's navy we'd do that but no world

575
00:23:40,390 --> 00:23:38,880
war ii is over and we couldn't get a

576
00:23:41,909 --> 00:23:40,400
navy boat for love nor money so we

577
00:23:44,149 --> 00:23:41,919
thought we'd just sit at the frou-frou

578
00:23:46,230 --> 00:23:44,159
cafe hearingly apparently and just do

579
00:23:48,310 --> 00:23:46,240
some funny stuff and see what happens

580
00:23:50,230 --> 00:23:48,320
and episode three is coming out shortly

581
00:23:52,310 --> 00:23:50,240
we discuss all the important stuff like

582
00:23:53,590 --> 00:23:52,320
why liza minnelli is the only person who

583
00:23:56,470 --> 00:23:53,600
has anything good to say about the

584
00:23:59,590 --> 00:23:56,480
weimar republic why the dc3 in melbourne

585
00:24:01,750 --> 00:23:59,600
is known as the c41 in america and three

586
00:24:03,830 --> 00:24:01,760
people will think that joke is funny and

587
00:24:05,990 --> 00:24:03,840
uh and tim basically explains his

588
00:24:08,710 --> 00:24:06,000
favorite episodes of comedy we talk

589
00:24:11,029 --> 00:24:08,720
about stuff it's skeptical if you like a

590
00:24:12,710 --> 00:24:11,039
skeptical show it's a skeptical show if

591
00:24:14,630 --> 00:24:12,720
you love a show about a religion it's

592
00:24:16,870 --> 00:24:14,640
the religious show for you if you want a

593
00:24:18,149 --> 00:24:16,880
show that talks about the beeping noise

594
00:24:19,990 --> 00:24:18,159
that's in the background that no one's

595
00:24:21,990 --> 00:24:20,000
ever been able to explain we've got the

596
00:24:23,870 --> 00:24:22,000
beeping noise show for you and that's

597
00:24:25,909 --> 00:24:23,880
basically it bill bungabunga at

598
00:24:28,390 --> 00:24:25,919
maynard.com.u have a listen please

599
00:24:30,549 --> 00:24:28,400
criticize us because we love criticism i

600
00:24:32,870 --> 00:24:30,559
think i'm going to criticize this

601
00:24:34,710 --> 00:24:32,880
this little tiny truck and it's got a

602
00:24:36,310 --> 00:24:34,720
beeping sound on the back it's why do

603
00:24:38,070 --> 00:24:36,320
these things happen may now when you

604
00:24:40,950 --> 00:24:38,080
tell me here's a mystery of the universe

605
00:24:43,110 --> 00:24:40,960
may not oh yep this is one

606
00:24:44,549 --> 00:24:43,120
for all time when i'm at home and i'm

607
00:24:46,549 --> 00:24:44,559
about to record the introductions for

608
00:24:47,909 --> 00:24:46,559
the skeptic zone

609
00:24:52,310 --> 00:24:47,919
ninety percent of the time i sit down

610
00:24:55,830 --> 00:24:54,070
seven four seven yeah well you do live

611
00:24:56,950 --> 00:24:55,840
at a secret air force base well that

612
00:24:57,990 --> 00:24:56,960
does happen i think that's part of the

613
00:24:59,510 --> 00:24:58,000
problem and the other problem is that

614
00:25:02,149 --> 00:24:59,520
your cat doesn't make noise when you

615
00:25:03,669 --> 00:25:02,159
want to fred the cat shuts up he does i

616
00:25:04,950 --> 00:25:03,679
say hello fred the cat and he just looks

617
00:25:06,310 --> 00:25:04,960
at me but in the middle of the night

618
00:25:07,430 --> 00:25:06,320
it's meow meow meow meow meow look

619
00:25:08,950 --> 00:25:07,440
normally he's the one who answers the

620
00:25:11,269 --> 00:25:08,960
phone

621
00:25:12,950 --> 00:25:11,279
yes yes yes fred yeah i know okay it's

622
00:25:15,190 --> 00:25:12,960
tough living in britain yeah yeah could

623
00:25:17,350 --> 00:25:15,200
you put richard on nice he just goes on

624
00:25:19,430 --> 00:25:17,360
man look but what look look it's maynard

625
00:25:21,669 --> 00:25:19,440
chopra here and i've got the 10

626
00:25:23,029 --> 00:25:21,679
challenge for you really simple as that

627
00:25:25,669 --> 00:25:23,039
okay

628
00:25:26,390 --> 00:25:25,679
can someone explain to me pants pants go

629
00:25:28,870 --> 00:25:26,400
down

630
00:25:29,909 --> 00:25:28,880
pants come up who can explain that there

631
00:25:31,669 --> 00:25:29,919
you go

632
00:25:33,190 --> 00:25:31,679
mix masters who can explain that mix

633
00:25:34,789 --> 00:25:33,200
masters exactly i haven't seen one of

634
00:25:36,390 --> 00:25:34,799
those things where can you get a bulb

635
00:25:38,310 --> 00:25:36,400
for your fridge when it goes out who can

636
00:25:40,070 --> 00:25:38,320
explain that i've got a 10 challenge

637
00:25:41,350 --> 00:25:40,080
signed by the indian guy who runs a

638
00:25:44,470 --> 00:25:41,360
service station around the corner from

639
00:25:46,789 --> 00:25:44,480
me a crisp 10 note if someone can tell

640
00:25:48,470 --> 00:25:46,799
me how you can possibly replace the bulb

641
00:25:49,909 --> 00:25:48,480
in your refrigerator when it goes out

642
00:25:51,269 --> 00:25:49,919
i've been throwing it away how do you

643
00:25:52,870 --> 00:25:51,279
know if it's still on when you shut the

644
00:25:54,310 --> 00:25:52,880
door no that's not the important thing

645
00:25:56,870 --> 00:25:54,320
that's been explained years ago what

646
00:25:59,029 --> 00:25:56,880
can't be explained by these amazing

647
00:26:00,390 --> 00:25:59,039
people apparently and their cronies and

648
00:26:01,430 --> 00:26:00,400
their cronies the people that hang

649
00:26:02,789 --> 00:26:01,440
around with them the people that drink

650
00:26:05,430 --> 00:26:02,799
with them these people that call

651
00:26:07,510 --> 00:26:05,440
themselves skeptics

652
00:26:09,110 --> 00:26:07,520
look if they can't spell skeptic how the

653
00:26:11,430 --> 00:26:09,120
hell should they know how the universe

654
00:26:13,110 --> 00:26:11,440
works this is maynard chopra in and out

655
00:26:14,870 --> 00:26:13,120
remember there's 10 bucks in it for you

656
00:26:17,390 --> 00:26:14,880
people 10 bucks i'm being applying for

657
00:26:20,390 --> 00:26:17,400
that myself look the website is

658
00:26:22,549 --> 00:26:20,400
maynard.com.a you that's right

659
00:26:24,470 --> 00:26:22,559
yes i'm there with my cronies your

660
00:26:26,870 --> 00:26:24,480
cronies that's right as soon as i know

661
00:26:28,230 --> 00:26:26,880
what that word means i'm gonna do it

662
00:26:29,669 --> 00:26:28,240
there goes that truck no it's a bigger

663
00:26:31,510 --> 00:26:29,679
one

664
00:26:33,190 --> 00:26:31,520
it's quite exciting doing a bit on the

665
00:26:34,950 --> 00:26:33,200
side of the street this is why we do

666
00:26:36,630 --> 00:26:34,960
bunga bunga live from various cafes

667
00:26:38,630 --> 00:26:36,640
around glebe except we have been thrown

668
00:26:40,950 --> 00:26:38,640
out of all of them except the frou-frou

669
00:26:43,029 --> 00:26:40,960
and as soon as we know what frufu means

670
00:26:45,750 --> 00:26:43,039
we'll probably stop doing it there

671
00:27:17,430 --> 00:26:45,760
thank you mina that's okay over and out

672
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:33,590
twitter and google

673
00:27:37,350 --> 00:27:35,510
and joining me now all the way from

674
00:27:39,110 --> 00:27:37,360
saint louis missouri i've never been to

675
00:27:41,430 --> 00:27:39,120
saint louis missouri but you know one

676
00:27:42,470 --> 00:27:41,440
day i just might make it there it's

677
00:27:44,870 --> 00:27:42,480
bob black

678
00:27:46,630 --> 00:27:44,880
hello bob hey richard how you doing i'm

679
00:27:48,070 --> 00:27:46,640
doing really well you know what i'm i

680
00:27:49,909 --> 00:27:48,080
think i was just telling you before we

681
00:27:51,510 --> 00:27:49,919
started i'm up at the crack of dawn or

682
00:27:53,510 --> 00:27:51,520
actually it's still dark outside i'm

683
00:27:55,430 --> 00:27:53,520
trying to beat jet lag if you can come

684
00:27:57,669 --> 00:27:55,440
up with a cure for jet lag i will pay

685
00:27:59,909 --> 00:27:57,679
you a million dollars

686
00:28:01,430 --> 00:27:59,919
there's lots of quack quack queues for

687
00:28:03,110 --> 00:28:01,440
jet lag out there but let's talk about

688
00:28:05,430 --> 00:28:03,120
something more serious about more some

689
00:28:07,669 --> 00:28:05,440
more quackery out there

690
00:28:09,350 --> 00:28:07,679
and for quite a while now you have been

691
00:28:10,630 --> 00:28:09,360
very active and

692
00:28:13,269 --> 00:28:10,640
uh

693
00:28:15,750 --> 00:28:13,279
very forthright in your activities and

694
00:28:17,590 --> 00:28:15,760
online presence especially when it comes

695
00:28:20,470 --> 00:28:17,600
to a certain

696
00:28:22,950 --> 00:28:20,480
uh what you call the houston cancer

697
00:28:24,710 --> 00:28:22,960
quack and he's got a name which is

698
00:28:26,710 --> 00:28:24,720
almost incomprehensible and

699
00:28:28,389 --> 00:28:26,720
unpronounceable which is standards of

700
00:28:29,510 --> 00:28:28,399
stannis say i can't even pronounce it

701
00:28:31,830 --> 00:28:29,520
myself

702
00:28:34,470 --> 00:28:31,840
stanislav brzezinski

703
00:28:36,950 --> 00:28:34,480
now just for those people out there who

704
00:28:39,029 --> 00:28:36,960
may not have heard of this man

705
00:28:41,269 --> 00:28:39,039
briefly what what is he about and what

706
00:28:45,029 --> 00:28:41,279
are some of his claims

707
00:28:48,310 --> 00:28:45,039
well he sells a cancer treatment

708
00:28:49,590 --> 00:28:48,320
known as anti-neoplastins

709
00:28:51,590 --> 00:28:49,600
they are a

710
00:28:54,470 --> 00:28:51,600
they were originally derived from human

711
00:28:56,549 --> 00:28:54,480
urine their fraction of human urine um

712
00:28:59,590 --> 00:28:56,559
and he claims that they are endogenous

713
00:29:02,789 --> 00:28:59,600
compounds that are capable of of

714
00:29:04,950 --> 00:29:02,799
fighting cancer he thinks that um

715
00:29:07,269 --> 00:29:04,960
patients with cancer have fewer of these

716
00:29:08,230 --> 00:29:07,279
amino acids and peptides in their

717
00:29:09,990 --> 00:29:08,240
their

718
00:29:11,510 --> 00:29:10,000
blood and urine

719
00:29:12,389 --> 00:29:11,520
however no

720
00:29:15,590 --> 00:29:12,399
other

721
00:29:18,230 --> 00:29:15,600
you know no oncologist on the the planet

722
00:29:19,830 --> 00:29:18,240
recognizes a lack of anti-neoplastins as

723
00:29:22,149 --> 00:29:19,840
a cause for cancer

724
00:29:23,909 --> 00:29:22,159
um so he's the only one out there um and

725
00:29:26,230 --> 00:29:23,919
he's been he's been um

726
00:29:28,310 --> 00:29:26,240
uh selling this this drug and treating

727
00:29:31,750 --> 00:29:28,320
patients for about 40 years

728
00:29:34,149 --> 00:29:31,760
um did you say did you say 40 years

729
00:29:35,669 --> 00:29:34,159
40 years yeah since the 70s it seems

730
00:29:38,789 --> 00:29:35,679
like yeah

731
00:29:41,590 --> 00:29:38,799
so um and in the last 15 years

732
00:29:44,389 --> 00:29:41,600
he's been limited to dispensing these uh

733
00:29:46,710 --> 00:29:44,399
as part of clinical trials

734
00:29:47,590 --> 00:29:46,720
about a year and a half ago

735
00:29:50,710 --> 00:29:47,600
um

736
00:29:53,269 --> 00:29:50,720
a child by the name of josiah cotto died

737
00:29:54,389 --> 00:29:53,279
while on antineoplastins with a sodium

738
00:29:58,389 --> 00:29:54,399
level

739
00:30:01,990 --> 00:29:58,399
that was around 205 i believe that the

740
00:30:05,590 --> 00:30:02,000
typical range is 135 to 145

741
00:30:07,510 --> 00:30:05,600
and uh sodium is an uh hypernatremia

742
00:30:08,389 --> 00:30:07,520
elevated sodium level is a known side

743
00:30:09,230 --> 00:30:08,399
effect

744
00:30:11,669 --> 00:30:09,240
of

745
00:30:13,909 --> 00:30:11,679
antineoplastins and so the trials were

746
00:30:16,630 --> 00:30:13,919
suspended

747
00:30:18,149 --> 00:30:16,640
and in uh just this past december it

748
00:30:20,389 --> 00:30:18,159
really looked like the berzinski clinic

749
00:30:23,190 --> 00:30:20,399
was was down for the count

750
00:30:25,350 --> 00:30:23,200
they were uh

751
00:30:27,830 --> 00:30:25,360
the subject of a usa today investigation

752
00:30:28,789 --> 00:30:27,840
that the skeptics helped initiate

753
00:30:30,549 --> 00:30:28,799
um

754
00:30:32,389 --> 00:30:30,559
they received a warning letter that

755
00:30:34,789 --> 00:30:32,399
detailed

756
00:30:38,470 --> 00:30:34,799
simply absurd levels

757
00:30:41,269 --> 00:30:38,480
of uh incompetency and violations of

758
00:30:43,269 --> 00:30:41,279
protocols and inflated numbers uh

759
00:30:45,029 --> 00:30:43,279
inflated success

760
00:30:49,029 --> 00:30:45,039
rates um

761
00:30:51,190 --> 00:30:49,039
uh a failure to protect patients uh and

762
00:30:53,190 --> 00:30:51,200
just a really kind of inconceivable

763
00:30:54,070 --> 00:30:53,200
number of operations

764
00:30:56,630 --> 00:30:54,080
um

765
00:30:58,310 --> 00:30:56,640
at the same time new proceedings were

766
00:31:01,430 --> 00:30:58,320
initiated by the texas medical board

767
00:31:03,269 --> 00:31:01,440
against brzezinski for false marketing

768
00:31:06,630 --> 00:31:03,279
in the last few days we've gotten word

769
00:31:08,710 --> 00:31:06,640
that the fda uh will be giving

770
00:31:10,630 --> 00:31:08,720
brzezinski the green light to resume

771
00:31:12,630 --> 00:31:10,640
administering uh

772
00:31:14,950 --> 00:31:12,640
antineoplastins so we're kind of

773
00:31:17,190 --> 00:31:14,960
surprised by that and uh we're wondering

774
00:31:18,549 --> 00:31:17,200
how that happened so i was just about to

775
00:31:20,310 --> 00:31:18,559
ask you um

776
00:31:23,269 --> 00:31:20,320
how did this happen but you're wondering

777
00:31:25,510 --> 00:31:23,279
yourself look i guess

778
00:31:28,070 --> 00:31:25,520
over the years we've seen a lot of

779
00:31:29,750 --> 00:31:28,080
strange decisions come from authorities

780
00:31:31,029 --> 00:31:29,760
we can't quite figure out why they do

781
00:31:33,750 --> 00:31:31,039
these things

782
00:31:34,549 --> 00:31:33,760
but i guess it it just means that you've

783
00:31:37,350 --> 00:31:34,559
uh

784
00:31:39,909 --> 00:31:37,360
you're steadfast in your resolve

785
00:31:42,710 --> 00:31:39,919
yeah um i i don't see any

786
00:31:44,870 --> 00:31:42,720
any choice uh you know but for us to to

787
00:31:46,950 --> 00:31:44,880
dig in harder and and

788
00:31:48,950 --> 00:31:46,960
um

789
00:31:52,149 --> 00:31:48,960
do what we can to see that the situation

790
00:31:54,870 --> 00:31:52,159
is remedied we we really do think that

791
00:31:58,230 --> 00:31:54,880
um this is a decision that places a

792
00:32:01,190 --> 00:31:58,240
patient at patients at risk uh with no

793
00:32:03,750 --> 00:32:01,200
plausible benefit um

794
00:32:04,950 --> 00:32:03,760
so and it it turns out like this has

795
00:32:08,149 --> 00:32:04,960
kind of been a

796
00:32:10,470 --> 00:32:08,159
a drip drip drip uh you know

797
00:32:13,269 --> 00:32:10,480
from the fda over the last few months i

798
00:32:15,029 --> 00:32:13,279
believe it was in late march or april

799
00:32:17,909 --> 00:32:15,039
uh the fda announced that they were

800
00:32:19,789 --> 00:32:17,919
going to allow some patients who were

801
00:32:22,149 --> 00:32:19,799
campaigning to be put on

802
00:32:24,389 --> 00:32:22,159
anti-neoplastins for their incurable

803
00:32:25,830 --> 00:32:24,399
brain tumors

804
00:32:28,630 --> 00:32:25,840
that they were they were going to be

805
00:32:31,509 --> 00:32:28,640
allowed to to take the treatment as long

806
00:32:33,509 --> 00:32:31,519
as another doctor who wasn't brzezinski

807
00:32:35,509 --> 00:32:33,519
was administering it and that an

808
00:32:37,350 --> 00:32:35,519
institutional review board

809
00:32:39,110 --> 00:32:37,360
approved an independent institutional

810
00:32:42,470 --> 00:32:39,120
review board not the the one that's been

811
00:32:43,990 --> 00:32:42,480
rubber stamping brzezinski's treatments

812
00:32:45,509 --> 00:32:44,000
signed off on it

813
00:32:47,590 --> 00:32:45,519
and and

814
00:32:50,310 --> 00:32:47,600
thirdly that they could find a a

815
00:32:53,029 --> 00:32:50,320
treatment i'm sorry a doctor in their

816
00:32:54,950 --> 00:32:53,039
home state to oversee the treatment

817
00:32:56,710 --> 00:32:54,960
and some patients have been able to meet

818
00:32:58,230 --> 00:32:56,720
that criteria

819
00:32:59,110 --> 00:32:58,240
um

820
00:33:01,350 --> 00:32:59,120
and

821
00:33:03,110 --> 00:33:01,360
we just kind of were

822
00:33:05,669 --> 00:33:03,120
kind of nervous that that you know if

823
00:33:08,070 --> 00:33:05,679
this if the fda blinked

824
00:33:11,310 --> 00:33:08,080
on on the these desperate patients that

825
00:33:14,070 --> 00:33:11,320
they might you know fold when it came to

826
00:33:16,470 --> 00:33:14,080
anti-neoplastins in general and it looks

827
00:33:19,190 --> 00:33:16,480
like they it looks like they have an

828
00:33:21,269 --> 00:33:19,200
interesting side note one of the doctors

829
00:33:23,430 --> 00:33:21,279
uh who has been

830
00:33:26,230 --> 00:33:23,440
treating one of these patients recently

831
00:33:27,909 --> 00:33:26,240
has been very outspoken about

832
00:33:30,710 --> 00:33:27,919
what's going on

833
00:33:32,149 --> 00:33:30,720
in terms of the treatment he's kind of

834
00:33:33,909 --> 00:33:32,159
surprised

835
00:33:34,789 --> 00:33:33,919
that his name

836
00:33:37,110 --> 00:33:34,799
is

837
00:33:39,509 --> 00:33:37,120
terry bennett a doctor in new hampshire

838
00:33:42,870 --> 00:33:39,519
who's seeing the treatment of a a 12

839
00:33:44,070 --> 00:33:42,880
year old girl mackenzie lowe her father

840
00:33:45,190 --> 00:33:44,080
went to

841
00:33:47,990 --> 00:33:45,200
dc

842
00:33:50,149 --> 00:33:48,000
uh drove from new hampshire to d.c to

843
00:33:51,430 --> 00:33:50,159
talk to the fda because he didn't feel

844
00:33:52,950 --> 00:33:51,440
he was getting

845
00:33:54,710 --> 00:33:52,960
his questions answered so the patients

846
00:33:57,350 --> 00:33:54,720
are really fighting for this

847
00:33:58,710 --> 00:33:57,360
at the same time this doctor is learning

848
00:34:00,870 --> 00:33:58,720
what it means to do business with

849
00:34:03,350 --> 00:34:00,880
brzezinski he says that he feels like he

850
00:34:04,789 --> 00:34:03,360
is the bag man the one who's supposed to

851
00:34:06,470 --> 00:34:04,799
collect thirty thousand dollars and

852
00:34:08,869 --> 00:34:06,480
deliver to brzezinski

853
00:34:10,389 --> 00:34:08,879
he says it has all the the components of

854
00:34:13,109 --> 00:34:10,399
bait and switch

855
00:34:14,550 --> 00:34:13,119
skeptics could have told him this

856
00:34:15,990 --> 00:34:14,560
and we really wish that people knew what

857
00:34:18,230 --> 00:34:16,000
they were getting into before they get

858
00:34:20,149 --> 00:34:18,240
entangled with this brzezinski guy well

859
00:34:22,950 --> 00:34:20,159
i guess that's one of the reasons that

860
00:34:25,030 --> 00:34:22,960
you're so active um out there how can

861
00:34:27,510 --> 00:34:25,040
other people help what are some of the

862
00:34:29,950 --> 00:34:27,520
websites you can direct people to

863
00:34:31,909 --> 00:34:29,960
um i would recommend the

864
00:34:34,470 --> 00:34:31,919
houstoncancerquack.com that has good

865
00:34:36,069 --> 00:34:34,480
information about how to boost reliable

866
00:34:38,389 --> 00:34:36,079
information into brzezinski's web

867
00:34:41,270 --> 00:34:38,399
searches so that potential patients uh

868
00:34:43,109 --> 00:34:41,280
see good information instead of

869
00:34:43,829 --> 00:34:43,119
his propaganda

870
00:34:45,750 --> 00:34:43,839
and

871
00:34:47,669 --> 00:34:45,760
feel free to contact me at

872
00:34:50,550 --> 00:34:47,679
skepticsprotect

873
00:34:52,149 --> 00:34:50,560
gmail.com that's the email for this uh

874
00:34:54,149 --> 00:34:52,159
skeptics for the protection of cancer

875
00:34:55,190 --> 00:34:54,159
patients group that i'm i'm involved

876
00:34:57,990 --> 00:34:55,200
with

877
00:34:59,589 --> 00:34:58,000
yes this is i must admit uh for me

878
00:35:01,750 --> 00:34:59,599
personally this is sort of hitting home

879
00:35:04,630 --> 00:35:01,760
a little bit because right now my poor

880
00:35:07,190 --> 00:35:04,640
old mum is uh having chemo she's doing

881
00:35:09,030 --> 00:35:07,200
very well i'm i'm pleased to say but

882
00:35:11,430 --> 00:35:09,040
yeah it's it's a it's a long process of

883
00:35:12,630 --> 00:35:11,440
course but mum's in good spirits

884
00:35:17,190 --> 00:35:12,640
she's

885
00:35:19,190 --> 00:35:17,200
absolutely

886
00:35:21,510 --> 00:35:19,200
sure that the

887
00:35:23,670 --> 00:35:21,520
scientifically based medical approach

888
00:35:25,190 --> 00:35:23,680
with chemotherapy and

889
00:35:28,550 --> 00:35:25,200
listening to her professors and her

890
00:35:30,710 --> 00:35:28,560
doctors is exactly the right way to go

891
00:35:32,470 --> 00:35:30,720
and having the president of the strange

892
00:35:35,750 --> 00:35:32,480
skeptics as a son actually hasn't

893
00:35:38,550 --> 00:35:35,760
influenced her you know she she knew the

894
00:35:41,589 --> 00:35:38,560
correct direction to go however visiting

895
00:35:43,910 --> 00:35:41,599
the cancer ward as i do regularly now

896
00:35:46,470 --> 00:35:43,920
i can i really can't understand how

897
00:35:49,430 --> 00:35:46,480
people can get to the stage where

898
00:35:50,790 --> 00:35:49,440
if a magic cure or a hope is dangled

899
00:35:53,349 --> 00:35:50,800
before them

900
00:35:55,829 --> 00:35:53,359
how that can well more or less override

901
00:35:57,349 --> 00:35:55,839
a lot of skeptical

902
00:35:59,109 --> 00:35:57,359
um

903
00:36:00,230 --> 00:35:59,119
what shall we say roadblocks in their

904
00:36:03,109 --> 00:36:00,240
mind

905
00:36:04,870 --> 00:36:03,119
yeah um i actually had a very similar

906
00:36:08,150 --> 00:36:04,880
experience a couple weeks ago a family

907
00:36:09,670 --> 00:36:08,160
member um who who just died

908
00:36:12,790 --> 00:36:09,680
got a

909
00:36:14,630 --> 00:36:12,800
diagnosis of pancreatic cancer and i

910
00:36:16,550 --> 00:36:14,640
actually thought about one of the

911
00:36:18,790 --> 00:36:16,560
pancreatic cancer patients who i've met

912
00:36:20,630 --> 00:36:18,800
who's still alive five years on

913
00:36:22,470 --> 00:36:20,640
and wondered if brzezinski had done

914
00:36:23,990 --> 00:36:22,480
something or what was it that this

915
00:36:26,230 --> 00:36:24,000
person had done and i know that's not

916
00:36:28,150 --> 00:36:26,240
the way that you're not supposed to to

917
00:36:30,710 --> 00:36:28,160
go about looking for a cure is is

918
00:36:33,750 --> 00:36:30,720
through anecdote but pancreatic cancer

919
00:36:34,790 --> 00:36:33,760
is a bad one yeah and um

920
00:36:37,030 --> 00:36:34,800
uh

921
00:36:40,390 --> 00:36:37,040
i understand that that sense of just

922
00:36:41,589 --> 00:36:40,400
flailing out for anything like hope um

923
00:36:44,069 --> 00:36:41,599
if someone throws you a line you're

924
00:36:45,030 --> 00:36:44,079
likely to to grab it and that's what i

925
00:36:47,030 --> 00:36:45,040
find

926
00:36:48,069 --> 00:36:47,040
so reprehensible about the brzezinski

927
00:36:49,910 --> 00:36:48,079
clinic

928
00:36:51,670 --> 00:36:49,920
yeah yeah they're

929
00:36:53,430 --> 00:36:51,680
they're really playing on that part of

930
00:36:54,390 --> 00:36:53,440
human nature that

931
00:36:56,710 --> 00:36:54,400
that

932
00:36:58,550 --> 00:36:56,720
hope springs eternal well let's think of

933
00:37:00,630 --> 00:36:58,560
something a bit more positive now uh

934
00:37:02,790 --> 00:37:00,640
i'll be seeing you in just a matter of a

935
00:37:04,069 --> 00:37:02,800
few weeks at the amazing meeting of

936
00:37:05,829 --> 00:37:04,079
course are you going to be discussing

937
00:37:08,950 --> 00:37:05,839
this there

938
00:37:11,829 --> 00:37:08,960
um i will be working with susan gerbic

939
00:37:14,069 --> 00:37:11,839
um we have i believe it's on sunday uh

940
00:37:15,190 --> 00:37:14,079
we're going to have an uh activism

941
00:37:17,670 --> 00:37:15,200
workshop

942
00:37:18,870 --> 00:37:17,680
um but i'm also going to be on a couple

943
00:37:21,190 --> 00:37:18,880
of

944
00:37:23,510 --> 00:37:21,200
regularly scheduled workshops

945
00:37:25,030 --> 00:37:23,520
um the education workshop

946
00:37:26,870 --> 00:37:25,040
and

947
00:37:28,870 --> 00:37:26,880
another one that escapes me uh rhetoric

948
00:37:29,750 --> 00:37:28,880
and skepticism workshop

949
00:37:31,990 --> 00:37:29,760
so

950
00:37:33,750 --> 00:37:32,000
yeah i look forward to seeing you yeah

951
00:37:36,150 --> 00:37:33,760
it's always great to catch up with the

952
00:37:38,390 --> 00:37:36,160
gang as i i call them the all my old

953
00:37:40,069 --> 00:37:38,400
friends and lots of uh skeptic zone

954
00:37:42,950 --> 00:37:40,079
listeners of course and

955
00:37:45,670 --> 00:37:42,960
i look forward to seeing you and uh

956
00:37:47,510 --> 00:37:45,680
well of course james randy always good

957
00:37:49,430 --> 00:37:47,520
to catch up with james

958
00:37:51,829 --> 00:37:49,440
all right bob we're really nice of you

959
00:37:54,630 --> 00:37:51,839
to uh spare me a bit of time uh in the

960
00:37:55,990 --> 00:37:54,640
wee small hours here here in australia

961
00:37:59,030 --> 00:37:56,000
as i

962
00:38:00,870 --> 00:37:59,040
wake up early and all the best with the

963
00:38:02,870 --> 00:38:00,880
the continuing efforts

964
00:38:20,870 --> 00:38:02,880
on this matter and i'll be seeing you

965
00:38:26,069 --> 00:38:23,190
hello dear skeptical ninjas

966
00:38:28,470 --> 00:38:26,079
my name is jake farwalton and my name is

967
00:38:30,630 --> 00:38:28,480
russ bulge and we are here to talk to

968
00:38:33,430 --> 00:38:30,640
you about briz

969
00:38:35,510 --> 00:38:33,440
skepticamp which is coming up in july so

970
00:38:37,349 --> 00:38:35,520
who is speaking out bruce kefta camp

971
00:38:39,829 --> 00:38:37,359
well jake you and i will be there as

972
00:38:42,950 --> 00:38:39,839
hosts as hosts and also recording a

973
00:38:45,670 --> 00:38:42,960
podcast a podcast right and we've got

974
00:38:47,670 --> 00:38:45,680
john cook from skepticalscience.com well

975
00:38:49,750 --> 00:38:47,680
we've got theo clark who does hunting

976
00:38:52,310 --> 00:38:49,760
humber podcast and also the skeptic's

977
00:38:53,670 --> 00:38:52,320
field guide that is amazing and loretta

978
00:38:56,069 --> 00:38:53,680
maron from friends of science and

979
00:38:58,230 --> 00:38:56,079
medicine that is fantastic and if all of

980
00:39:00,630 --> 00:38:58,240
that sounded too amazing we have a whole

981
00:39:03,109 --> 00:39:00,640
host of local skeptics from the brisbane

982
00:39:04,870 --> 00:39:03,119
area so if i call now do i also get a

983
00:39:07,030 --> 00:39:04,880
free set of steak knives well i would be

984
00:39:09,589 --> 00:39:07,040
quite skeptical of that claim jake

985
00:39:11,310 --> 00:39:09,599
so how can i find out more about brisket

986
00:39:12,950 --> 00:39:11,320
care you can go to

987
00:39:15,670 --> 00:39:12,960
brisketcamp.org that was an

988
00:39:17,750 --> 00:39:15,680
advantageously made web domain name i

989
00:39:21,430 --> 00:39:17,760
dare say yes and when is bridge

990
00:39:23,670 --> 00:39:21,440
skepticam july 19th this year so july

991
00:39:25,670 --> 00:39:23,680
19th this year and it's free it's

992
00:39:27,670 --> 00:39:25,680
completely free completely free yeah

993
00:39:30,390 --> 00:39:27,680
with a free set of steak knives as well

994
00:39:31,390 --> 00:39:30,400
i would continue to be skeptical

995
00:39:43,270 --> 00:39:31,400
so go to

996
00:39:47,349 --> 00:39:45,910
what we want is some more evidence

997
00:39:54,310 --> 00:39:47,359
please

998
00:39:54,320 --> 00:40:00,390
hello this is joe alabaster

999
00:40:04,630 --> 00:40:02,390
well up here in the blue mountains it's

1000
00:40:06,790 --> 00:40:04,640
incredibly cold this week

1001
00:40:08,550 --> 00:40:06,800
a friend of mine is sheepy who's been

1002
00:40:09,750 --> 00:40:08,560
interviewed at skepta camp on skeptic

1003
00:40:11,430 --> 00:40:09,760
zone before

1004
00:40:14,109 --> 00:40:11,440
pointed me towards a rather amusing

1005
00:40:16,390 --> 00:40:14,119
website a couple of days ago

1006
00:40:18,069 --> 00:40:16,400
homeaway.com which contains travel

1007
00:40:19,349 --> 00:40:18,079
guides for holiday destinations in

1008
00:40:20,950 --> 00:40:19,359
australia

1009
00:40:23,750 --> 00:40:20,960
the page that i had a bit of a giggle

1010
00:40:26,230 --> 00:40:23,760
over is about blue mountain skiing in

1011
00:40:27,750 --> 00:40:26,240
which they claim that quote

1012
00:40:29,430 --> 00:40:27,760
the blue mountains are filled with

1013
00:40:31,349 --> 00:40:29,440
dozens of winding trails that are

1014
00:40:33,190 --> 00:40:31,359
perfect for cross-country skiers who are

1015
00:40:36,470 --> 00:40:33,200
looking to experience the breathtaking

1016
00:40:38,310 --> 00:40:36,480
views of the sydney basin end quote

1017
00:40:40,870 --> 00:40:38,320
while it's true that we do have many

1018
00:40:42,710 --> 00:40:40,880
rather scenic bush walks up here we also

1019
00:40:45,109 --> 00:40:42,720
only have a handful of days in which it

1020
00:40:46,870 --> 00:40:45,119
snows very lightly at that and rarely

1021
00:40:48,870 --> 00:40:46,880
below 100 meters

1022
00:40:49,910 --> 00:40:48,880
cross-country skiing is not on the cards

1023
00:40:52,630 --> 00:40:49,920
here

1024
00:40:54,230 --> 00:40:52,640
the website also states quote skiers

1025
00:40:56,390 --> 00:40:54,240
that are looking for a more thrilling

1026
00:40:59,190 --> 00:40:56,400
and adrenaline pumping ink experience

1027
00:41:01,589 --> 00:40:59,200
can enjoy engaging in downhill skiing

1028
00:41:03,349 --> 00:41:01,599
ski slopes in thread bow or parachute

1029
00:41:05,589 --> 00:41:03,359
are just a short drive away from most

1030
00:41:07,270 --> 00:41:05,599
accommodations in the blue mountains end

1031
00:41:09,589 --> 00:41:07,280
quote

1032
00:41:11,349 --> 00:41:09,599
short drives are relative of course

1033
00:41:13,829 --> 00:41:11,359
but threadbar and parachute are in the

1034
00:41:16,309 --> 00:41:13,839
kosciuszko national park near the border

1035
00:41:17,910 --> 00:41:16,319
of victoria a good six hour drive away

1036
00:41:19,510 --> 00:41:17,920
from the blue mountains

1037
00:41:21,390 --> 00:41:19,520
i fear that snow buddies headed for the

1038
00:41:23,430 --> 00:41:21,400
blue mountains on the advice of

1039
00:41:25,030 --> 00:41:23,440
homeaway.com.iu are quite likely to be

1040
00:41:27,750 --> 00:41:25,040
disappointed

1041
00:41:30,230 --> 00:41:27,760
anyhow it's 4 degrees celsius which is

1042
00:41:31,829 --> 00:41:30,240
39 degrees fahrenheit just so those of

1043
00:41:33,270 --> 00:41:31,839
you out there who have seriously cold

1044
00:41:35,829 --> 00:41:33,280
winters can have a giggle at me for

1045
00:41:37,829 --> 00:41:35,839
finding this chili i'm all rugged up on

1046
00:41:40,230 --> 00:41:37,839
to this week's story

1047
00:41:42,150 --> 00:41:40,240
julie eric saralini and his rat studies

1048
00:41:43,750 --> 00:41:42,160
are back in the news

1049
00:41:46,630 --> 00:41:43,760
you may have heard of the paper which

1050
00:41:49,589 --> 00:41:46,640
hit headlines in september 2012 compiled

1051
00:41:51,589 --> 00:41:49,599
by a team led by cerrollini titled

1052
00:41:53,430 --> 00:41:51,599
long-term toxicity of a roundup

1053
00:41:55,589 --> 00:41:53,440
herbicide and a roundup tolerant

1054
00:41:57,030 --> 00:41:55,599
genetically modified maize

1055
00:41:58,950 --> 00:41:57,040
published in the journal food and

1056
00:42:00,790 --> 00:41:58,960
chemical toxicology

1057
00:42:03,030 --> 00:42:00,800
news of this study went viral with

1058
00:42:05,109 --> 00:42:03,040
claims that exposure to gmo corn and

1059
00:42:07,430 --> 00:42:05,119
roundup were shown to cause cancer in

1060
00:42:09,829 --> 00:42:07,440
rats accompanied by photographs of rats

1061
00:42:12,150 --> 00:42:09,839
with huge tumors on their bodies the

1062
00:42:14,069 --> 00:42:12,160
impact was substantial with widespread

1063
00:42:16,390 --> 00:42:14,079
coverage in traditional media and high

1064
00:42:18,550 --> 00:42:16,400
levels of discussion on social media

1065
00:42:20,870 --> 00:42:18,560
and near immediately concerns over the

1066
00:42:22,870 --> 00:42:20,880
study were raised by other scientists

1067
00:42:26,230 --> 00:42:22,880
criticizing sarah lainey's experimental

1068
00:42:27,910 --> 00:42:26,240
design analysis and presentation of data

1069
00:42:30,550 --> 00:42:27,920
potential bias and the way that the

1070
00:42:32,790 --> 00:42:30,560
paper was publicized to the media first

1071
00:42:35,349 --> 00:42:32,800
up the experimental design

1072
00:42:37,589 --> 00:42:35,359
cerelini and his cohorts used sprague

1073
00:42:39,430 --> 00:42:37,599
dawley rats in their studies a line of

1074
00:42:41,190 --> 00:42:39,440
laboratory rats which are highly prone

1075
00:42:43,589 --> 00:42:41,200
to spontaneously occurring tumor

1076
00:42:45,349 --> 00:42:43,599
development in particular as they age

1077
00:42:47,349 --> 00:42:45,359
under normal conditions

1078
00:42:49,190 --> 00:42:47,359
the lifespan of a spraguedale rat is

1079
00:42:51,109 --> 00:42:49,200
approximately two years and the

1080
00:42:52,150 --> 00:42:51,119
experiment lasted the lifetime of the

1081
00:42:53,670 --> 00:42:52,160
rats

1082
00:42:55,430 --> 00:42:53,680
studies have shown that the natural

1083
00:42:57,750 --> 00:42:55,440
tendency of spragued oily rats to

1084
00:43:02,870 --> 00:42:57,760
develop tumors over their lifetimes are

1085
00:43:05,349 --> 00:43:02,880
70 to 77 for male rats and 87 to 96

1086
00:43:07,349 --> 00:43:05,359
female rats as such to conduct an

1087
00:43:09,109 --> 00:43:07,359
experiment with enough statistical power

1088
00:43:10,710 --> 00:43:09,119
to determine whether there was a higher

1089
00:43:12,630 --> 00:43:10,720
rate of tumors in the test group

1090
00:43:16,230 --> 00:43:12,640
compared to the control group at least

1091
00:43:18,710 --> 00:43:16,240
65 rats per group should have been used

1092
00:43:21,589 --> 00:43:18,720
in a highly criticized move cerellini

1093
00:43:22,390 --> 00:43:21,599
and his cohorts chose to use 10 rats per

1094
00:43:23,829 --> 00:43:22,400
group

1095
00:43:25,750 --> 00:43:23,839
additionally they didn't blind the

1096
00:43:27,430 --> 00:43:25,760
experiment nor that they determined the

1097
00:43:29,829 --> 00:43:27,440
cause of death of rats in the control

1098
00:43:31,910 --> 00:43:29,839
group this introduced bias as the

1099
00:43:33,829 --> 00:43:31,920
control and experimental groups of rats

1100
00:43:35,829 --> 00:43:33,839
were treated differently

1101
00:43:38,069 --> 00:43:35,839
information was not provided as to how

1102
00:43:40,150 --> 00:43:38,079
much the rats were fed nor whether there

1103
00:43:42,150 --> 00:43:40,160
was fungus present in the feed

1104
00:43:43,990 --> 00:43:42,160
overfeeding female rats and the presence

1105
00:43:45,430 --> 00:43:44,000
of fungus can also lead to increased

1106
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tumor growth

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in fact the raw data for the study was

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not provided at all

1109
00:43:53,190 --> 00:43:50,640
some contend that this constitutes

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scientific misconduct

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00:43:56,470 --> 00:43:54,960
i've only touched the surface and i

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00:43:58,550 --> 00:43:56,480
should note that while i spend a lot of

1113
00:44:00,230 --> 00:43:58,560
time learning about scientific processes

1114
00:44:02,230 --> 00:44:00,240
i am presenting the analysis of an

1115
00:44:03,750 --> 00:44:02,240
undergrad here for expert detailed

1116
00:44:05,990 --> 00:44:03,760
analysis and criticism of the

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00:44:07,750 --> 00:44:06,000
experimental design visit genetic

1118
00:44:10,390 --> 00:44:07,760
literacy projects website at

1119
00:44:12,230 --> 00:44:10,400
geneticliteracyproject.org

1120
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in another questionable move the

1121
00:44:16,309 --> 00:44:14,400
cerellani team decided to publicize

1122
00:44:17,270 --> 00:44:16,319
their paper in a rather unconventional

1123
00:44:18,870 --> 00:44:17,280
manner

1124
00:44:20,710 --> 00:44:18,880
a select group of journalists were

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00:44:22,550 --> 00:44:20,720
presented with access to the paper on

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the proviso that they would sign

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00:44:27,510 --> 00:44:24,640
confidentiality agreements with

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penalties including quote a refund of

1129
00:44:31,829 --> 00:44:29,520
the cost of the study of several million

1130
00:44:33,510 --> 00:44:31,839
euros would be considered damages if the

1131
00:44:35,990 --> 00:44:33,520
premature disclosure questioned the

1132
00:44:37,349 --> 00:44:36,000
release of the study end quote

1133
00:44:38,950 --> 00:44:37,359
journalists who signed the agreement

1134
00:44:40,710 --> 00:44:38,960
were prevented from contacting other

1135
00:44:43,190 --> 00:44:40,720
scientists for comment on the paper

1136
00:44:44,710 --> 00:44:43,200
until the embargo had expired

1137
00:44:46,950 --> 00:44:44,720
it disappoints me greatly that

1138
00:44:48,710 --> 00:44:46,960
journalists would accept such terms not

1139
00:44:51,510 --> 00:44:48,720
to mention that any scientist would try

1140
00:44:53,030 --> 00:44:51,520
to enforce them independent analysis is

1141
00:44:55,270 --> 00:44:53,040
essential to presenting anything

1142
00:44:56,950 --> 00:44:55,280
approaching an objective report let

1143
00:44:59,430 --> 00:44:56,960
alone advancing our body of knowledge

1144
00:45:01,109 --> 00:44:59,440
itself and the initial media reports on

1145
00:45:03,270 --> 00:45:01,119
the paper were lacking criticism that

1146
00:45:05,270 --> 00:45:03,280
the study very much deserved

1147
00:45:07,589 --> 00:45:05,280
this lack of criticism however didn't

1148
00:45:09,510 --> 00:45:07,599
last for long

1149
00:45:11,510 --> 00:45:09,520
questions remain as to how this paper

1150
00:45:14,069 --> 00:45:11,520
made it through peer review but by

1151
00:45:15,990 --> 00:45:14,079
november 2013 criticism of the paper

1152
00:45:18,150 --> 00:45:16,000
prompted the editor of the journal food

1153
00:45:20,710 --> 00:45:18,160
and chemical toxicology to review the

1154
00:45:22,870 --> 00:45:20,720
paper including the raw data and then

1155
00:45:24,710 --> 00:45:22,880
retract it after cerellini at all

1156
00:45:26,630 --> 00:45:24,720
refused to withdraw

1157
00:45:29,270 --> 00:45:26,640
unfortunately as we've observed in the

1158
00:45:32,230 --> 00:45:29,280
case of andrew wakefield even retracted

1159
00:45:34,470 --> 00:45:32,240
papers can cause harm

1160
00:45:36,950 --> 00:45:34,480
kenya a nation which experiences

1161
00:45:39,349 --> 00:45:36,960
troubles with food insecurity rushed to

1162
00:45:41,910 --> 00:45:39,359
ban the importation of gmo siege shortly

1163
00:45:43,910 --> 00:45:41,920
after the cerellini paper was released

1164
00:45:47,030 --> 00:45:43,920
as a result investors have moved away

1165
00:45:48,870 --> 00:45:47,040
from kenya causing economic impacts

1166
00:45:50,790 --> 00:45:48,880
kenyan scientists and governors are

1167
00:45:52,950 --> 00:45:50,800
currently lobbying their biotechnology

1168
00:45:56,069 --> 00:45:52,960
task force to lift the hastily placed

1169
00:45:58,069 --> 00:45:56,079
gmo ban before it causes further damage

1170
00:46:00,470 --> 00:45:58,079
kenya council of governors chairman for

1171
00:46:02,790 --> 00:46:00,480
health and biotechnology jack runguma is

1172
00:46:05,430 --> 00:46:02,800
quoted in the standard kenya as saying

1173
00:46:07,270 --> 00:46:05,440
quote this ban on gmos was rushed and

1174
00:46:09,109 --> 00:46:07,280
not based on facts

1175
00:46:10,950 --> 00:46:09,119
forming the task force was a waste of

1176
00:46:13,190 --> 00:46:10,960
time as there is nothing wrong with the

1177
00:46:15,430 --> 00:46:13,200
products growing economies are using the

1178
00:46:18,950 --> 00:46:15,440
biotechnology and their lifespans are

1179
00:46:21,190 --> 00:46:18,960
far above ours end quote

1180
00:46:23,349 --> 00:46:21,200
closer to home those cerelini bratmaims

1181
00:46:25,109 --> 00:46:23,359
and links to unreliable uncritical

1182
00:46:28,150 --> 00:46:25,119
reports supporting sarah lenny's

1183
00:46:29,829 --> 00:46:28,160
suppositions keep circulating online i

1184
00:46:30,630 --> 00:46:29,839
tend to see them come up at least once a

1185
00:46:32,069 --> 00:46:30,640
day

1186
00:46:34,230 --> 00:46:32,079
and to somebody who hasn't read the

1187
00:46:36,630 --> 00:46:34,240
criticism the images of those rats can

1188
00:46:38,870 --> 00:46:36,640
be quite alarming i see them not only

1189
00:46:41,589 --> 00:46:38,880
shared by those who do so to support an

1190
00:46:43,510 --> 00:46:41,599
established anti-gmo stance but also by

1191
00:46:45,270 --> 00:46:43,520
people who are undecided on the issue

1192
00:46:46,950 --> 00:46:45,280
but highly concerned by the claim that

1193
00:46:49,109 --> 00:46:46,960
products that people are ingesting are

1194
00:46:50,390 --> 00:46:49,119
causing rats to develop huge tumors on

1195
00:46:52,150 --> 00:46:50,400
their bodies

1196
00:46:54,950 --> 00:46:52,160
the image is a very effective one in

1197
00:46:56,710 --> 00:46:54,960
provoking an emotional response

1198
00:46:58,790 --> 00:46:56,720
now fast forwarding to this week

1199
00:47:01,270 --> 00:46:58,800
cerelini's claims are experiencing a

1200
00:47:03,589 --> 00:47:01,280
resurgence in attention as a new paper

1201
00:47:06,230 --> 00:47:03,599
has been published one which bears an

1202
00:47:07,829 --> 00:47:06,240
uncanny resemblance to the old paper

1203
00:47:10,150 --> 00:47:07,839
this time it's been published in a

1204
00:47:13,190 --> 00:47:10,160
relatively new to you to have an impact

1205
00:47:14,630 --> 00:47:13,200
factor open access journal environmental

1206
00:47:17,589 --> 00:47:14,640
sciences europe

1207
00:47:19,670 --> 00:47:17,599
now titled republish study long-term

1208
00:47:21,670 --> 00:47:19,680
toxicity of a roundup herbicide and

1209
00:47:22,870 --> 00:47:21,680
roundup tolerant genetically modified

1210
00:47:24,790 --> 00:47:22,880
maze

1211
00:47:26,710 --> 00:47:24,800
the abstract has changed somewhat but

1212
00:47:29,750 --> 00:47:26,720
the results remain the same and the same

1213
00:47:32,950 --> 00:47:29,760
flawed experimental data has been used

1214
00:47:35,109 --> 00:47:32,960
small sample sizes tumor-prone rats

1215
00:47:37,270 --> 00:47:35,119
and again an embargo was placed on

1216
00:47:39,589 --> 00:47:37,280
journalists the name of the journal was

1217
00:47:41,829 --> 00:47:39,599
withheld until publication

1218
00:47:45,030 --> 00:47:41,839
cerellani told website retraction watch

1219
00:47:47,750 --> 00:47:45,040
that this was to prevent gmo and roundup

1220
00:47:50,150 --> 00:47:47,760
maker monsanto from pressuring editors

1221
00:47:52,230 --> 00:47:50,160
to revoke publication

1222
00:47:54,309 --> 00:47:52,240
another questionable point potential

1223
00:47:56,790 --> 00:47:54,319
competing interests that perhaps should

1224
00:47:58,790 --> 00:47:56,800
have been made public by cerrollane

1225
00:48:00,870 --> 00:47:58,800
cerellini himself has released a book

1226
00:48:02,390 --> 00:48:00,880
and a film about his research

1227
00:48:04,630 --> 00:48:02,400
it's also worth disclosing that

1228
00:48:06,630 --> 00:48:04,640
cerrollini as well as being a professor

1229
00:48:08,630 --> 00:48:06,640
of molecular biology at the university

1230
00:48:10,710 --> 00:48:08,640
of kane is the chairman of the

1231
00:48:12,790 --> 00:48:10,720
scientific council for the french

1232
00:48:15,510 --> 00:48:12,800
committee of independent research and

1233
00:48:17,430 --> 00:48:15,520
information on genetic engineering a

1234
00:48:19,109 --> 00:48:17,440
group who claimed to present independent

1235
00:48:20,470 --> 00:48:19,119
investigations into the safety of

1236
00:48:22,470 --> 00:48:20,480
biotechnology

1237
00:48:25,190 --> 00:48:22,480
but only seem to prevent overwhelmingly

1238
00:48:27,030 --> 00:48:25,200
negative conclusions

1239
00:48:29,109 --> 00:48:27,040
it's rather amazing that one poorly

1240
00:48:31,190 --> 00:48:29,119
designed and very likely biased paper

1241
00:48:32,710 --> 00:48:31,200
published twice has gained so much

1242
00:48:34,069 --> 00:48:32,720
attention

1243
00:48:36,390 --> 00:48:34,079
while i've acknowledged the harm that

1244
00:48:37,990 --> 00:48:36,400
the cerelini papers have caused i'd also

1245
00:48:40,470 --> 00:48:38,000
like to mention a couple of positives

1246
00:48:42,549 --> 00:48:40,480
here the cerellini affair highlights the

1247
00:48:45,190 --> 00:48:42,559
mechanisms by which poor science can be

1248
00:48:47,109 --> 00:48:45,200
conducted published and publicized

1249
00:48:49,030 --> 00:48:47,119
it encourages those who are interested

1250
00:48:51,349 --> 00:48:49,040
to learn about how critical analysis can

1251
00:48:53,030 --> 00:48:51,359
be applied to studies and it can also

1252
00:48:55,430 --> 00:48:53,040
serve as a reminder of what new york

1253
00:48:57,829 --> 00:48:55,440
times writer andrew revkin has dubbed

1254
00:49:01,349 --> 00:48:57,839
single study syndrome

1255
00:49:03,109 --> 00:49:01,359
should all be aware of when reading news

1256
00:49:04,230 --> 00:49:03,119
about developments in scientific

1257
00:49:05,750 --> 00:49:04,240
knowledge

1258
00:49:07,910 --> 00:49:05,760
it's a mechanism which can trigger

1259
00:49:08,950 --> 00:49:07,920
confirmation bias and is strongly

1260
00:49:11,190 --> 00:49:08,960
related

1261
00:49:13,030 --> 00:49:11,200
a new study is released which implants a

1262
00:49:15,190 --> 00:49:13,040
belief suspicion or assumption which

1263
00:49:16,790 --> 00:49:15,200
people carry this study is perceived to

1264
00:49:18,630 --> 00:49:16,800
have more weight than a single study

1265
00:49:21,430 --> 00:49:18,640
should and its findings to trump the

1266
00:49:23,270 --> 00:49:21,440
body of evidence which came before it

1267
00:49:25,190 --> 00:49:23,280
unfortunately journalists don't always

1268
00:49:27,270 --> 00:49:25,200
present new studies within a realistic

1269
00:49:29,589 --> 00:49:27,280
perspective particularly when they sound

1270
00:49:31,589 --> 00:49:29,599
somewhat sensationalistic

1271
00:49:33,990 --> 00:49:31,599
until a study is subjected to post-peer

1272
00:49:35,750 --> 00:49:34,000
review and replicated adequately a

1273
00:49:37,270 --> 00:49:35,760
single study shouldn't be cherry-picked

1274
00:49:39,349 --> 00:49:37,280
and given more credence than all

1275
00:49:41,510 --> 00:49:39,359
knowledge which came before it even if

1276
00:49:43,829 --> 00:49:41,520
it backs up positions which we in our

1277
00:49:56,710 --> 00:49:43,839
biased human states are open to holding

1278
00:50:00,150 --> 00:49:57,670
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1279
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1280
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1281
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1282
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1283
00:50:10,790 --> 00:50:08,720
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1284
00:50:13,349 --> 00:50:10,800
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1285
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1286
00:50:17,109 --> 00:50:15,839
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1287
00:50:19,190 --> 00:50:17,119
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1288
00:50:20,470 --> 00:50:19,200
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1289
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1290
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1297
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00:51:14,790 --> 00:51:13,430
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1306
00:51:17,109 --> 00:51:14,800
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1307
00:51:18,710 --> 00:51:17,119
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1308
00:51:20,150 --> 00:51:18,720
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1309
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1310
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1313
00:51:30,950 --> 00:51:29,200
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1314
00:51:31,910 --> 00:51:30,960
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1315
00:51:38,309 --> 00:51:31,920
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1316
00:51:40,309 --> 00:51:38,319
everybody ten sided

1317
00:51:42,230 --> 00:51:40,319
put your psychic powers to the test

1318
00:51:44,150 --> 00:51:42,240
think of a number now

1319
00:51:46,390 --> 00:51:44,160
from

1320
00:51:48,230 --> 00:51:46,400
one to ten one two three four five six

1321
00:51:49,670 --> 00:51:48,240
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1322
00:51:51,190 --> 00:51:49,680
use your psychic powers predict the

1323
00:51:56,069 --> 00:51:51,200
future i'm about to roll the dice here

1324
00:51:56,079 --> 00:51:58,549
10.

1325
00:52:06,309 --> 00:52:01,670
you want to try for a two

1326
00:52:11,589 --> 00:52:07,589
six

1327
00:52:13,670 --> 00:52:11,599
buy yourself

1328
00:52:15,109 --> 00:52:13,680
an ice cream

1329
00:52:17,750 --> 00:52:15,119
while you're buying yourself an ice

1330
00:52:19,589 --> 00:52:17,760
cream i'm going to start packing my bags

1331
00:52:21,030 --> 00:52:19,599
for my trip to california where i'm

1332
00:52:22,870 --> 00:52:21,040
spending a little bit of time before

1333
00:52:24,870 --> 00:52:22,880
flying out to las vegas to see all my

1334
00:52:27,109 --> 00:52:24,880
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1335
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not coming to the amazing meeting

1336
00:52:29,910 --> 00:52:28,240
oh

1337
00:52:31,430 --> 00:52:29,920
and uh i hope

1338
00:52:32,790 --> 00:52:31,440
i'll take a leaf out of maynard's book

1339
00:52:35,030 --> 00:52:32,800
while i'm there and i hope i can get

1340
00:52:37,349 --> 00:52:35,040
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1343
00:52:44,710 --> 00:52:43,200
long now only a couple of weeks or so

1344
00:52:47,430 --> 00:52:44,720
before the big

1345
00:52:49,430 --> 00:52:47,440
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1346
00:52:50,950 --> 00:52:49,440
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1347
00:52:53,270 --> 00:52:50,960
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can that be right one two eight nine ten

1354
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eleven twenty six years

1355
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the skeptic zone simply would not have

1356
00:53:13,910 --> 00:53:12,000
lasted this long

1357
00:53:15,910 --> 00:53:13,920
i better get all nostalgic in a couple

1358
00:53:17,750 --> 00:53:15,920
of weeks for episode 300 i'll do that

1359
00:53:19,910 --> 00:53:17,760
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1360
00:53:20,790 --> 00:53:19,920
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1361
00:53:23,030 --> 00:53:20,800
ah

1362
00:53:24,790 --> 00:53:23,040
okay you can all go to bed now

1363
00:53:31,270 --> 00:53:24,800
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1364
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1365
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